i dont know if this is the right section to post this, i am thinking about getting a puppy from clover patch doxies the next litter, how can i tell if these guys are good breeders or not? i dont know anything really about breeders, we got my two dogs i had growing up from the farmers market. but i want a dachshund puppy from a breeder. and then later when he or she gets older, i plan on rescuing one from a shelter. any tips or questions i should ask? anyone ever dealt with these guys?Miniture Dachshund Breeder In Tennessee
how to tell a good breeder
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vizzla
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Its hard to tell but in Sweden, our swedisch kennel club has some guidelince and roulse for selling puppies. So for selling puppies in Sweden they have to be:
- vet checkt with a certificant no older than 1 week when you pick up the puppie.
- puppies has to be vaccinated and dewormed.
- the bitch and sir has to be checked for breed specific diseases, in sweden they have to be checkedfor PRA (eye condition)
talk to people that has bought a puppie from them before you. What did they think?
I want the breeder to want to meet me before the delivery. What are my plans with the dog? Do I know the breed? Do I have the time for a dog?
Good luck!
- vet checkt with a certificant no older than 1 week when you pick up the puppie.
- puppies has to be vaccinated and dewormed.
- the bitch and sir has to be checked for breed specific diseases, in sweden they have to be checkedfor PRA (eye condition)
talk to people that has bought a puppie from them before you. What did they think?
I want the breeder to want to meet me before the delivery. What are my plans with the dog? Do I know the breed? Do I have the time for a dog?
Good luck!
amparra
New Member
A reputable breeder is one that is breeding to better the breed. They are active in the breed and work to put titles on their dog by competing in an appropriate venue (i.e. conformation, field trials, obedience, etc).
They do all the appropriate health clearances on both the sire and dam and do not breed dogs that are too young to be bred. A clearance is not just a standard health check, it is health testing for hereditary diseases that plague the breed. OFA and CERF clearances can be verified online. Always ask about clearances, a reputable breeder will not hesitate to show the clearances to you.
Here are some red flags to look for when researching breeders:
- No titles on either of the parents of the your dog. Titles past the 2nd generation and way back in the pedigree are nice but essentially irrelevant. You want the parents of your dog to have proved itself a good example of the breed and worthy of being bred. This is the whole point of competing in conformation, etc.
- No health clearances or parents too young to have passed clearances
- Both parents on site. Lets call this a red-orange flag. Reason being is that rarely is the best mating match between two dogs that the breeder owns. Ask the breeder why she picked the sire she did.
- Multiple litters on the ground, multiple litters per year, or a dam bred every heat cycle. A reputable breeder is looking to better the breed, not to profit on its dog's reproductive system. Believe it or not breeding, no matter what breed, is VERY EXPENSIVE when done right. A reputable breeder is most likely in the negative even though she is selling you a puppy at $1000+
- Breeders that will sell you dog on full registration. (i.e. full breeding rights) With rare exception, a breeder that has put in the hard work to breed correctly, is not going to let you breed their pup's willy nilly.
-Breeders that advertise "rare" colors or sizes. Familiarize yourself with the dachshund standard!
- A breeder that sells a dog before 8 weeks of age. It is illegal in most states to sell a dog younger than 8 weeks.
ETA: I checked out that site and I would pass on that breeder.
They do all the appropriate health clearances on both the sire and dam and do not breed dogs that are too young to be bred. A clearance is not just a standard health check, it is health testing for hereditary diseases that plague the breed. OFA and CERF clearances can be verified online. Always ask about clearances, a reputable breeder will not hesitate to show the clearances to you.
Here are some red flags to look for when researching breeders:
- No titles on either of the parents of the your dog. Titles past the 2nd generation and way back in the pedigree are nice but essentially irrelevant. You want the parents of your dog to have proved itself a good example of the breed and worthy of being bred. This is the whole point of competing in conformation, etc.
- No health clearances or parents too young to have passed clearances
- Both parents on site. Lets call this a red-orange flag. Reason being is that rarely is the best mating match between two dogs that the breeder owns. Ask the breeder why she picked the sire she did.
- Multiple litters on the ground, multiple litters per year, or a dam bred every heat cycle. A reputable breeder is looking to better the breed, not to profit on its dog's reproductive system. Believe it or not breeding, no matter what breed, is VERY EXPENSIVE when done right. A reputable breeder is most likely in the negative even though she is selling you a puppy at $1000+
- Breeders that will sell you dog on full registration. (i.e. full breeding rights) With rare exception, a breeder that has put in the hard work to breed correctly, is not going to let you breed their pup's willy nilly.
-Breeders that advertise "rare" colors or sizes. Familiarize yourself with the dachshund standard!
- A breeder that sells a dog before 8 weeks of age. It is illegal in most states to sell a dog younger than 8 weeks.
ETA: I checked out that site and I would pass on that breeder.
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HilyBee
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The first breeder I dealt with was terrible... and I didn't know until I had already adopted a gorgeous little male doxie. She bred for the profits and wasn't very careful. She liked to breed with another breeder's sires, but typically used her own sires. The litter I got a puppy from she wasn't even 100% sure who the sire was until a DNA test was done (we weren't informed of that lovely tidbit until after we picked up our puppy). She had a HUGE farm next to another doxie breeder who looked to be a puppy mill. There were plenty of red flags but we didnt know any better. Our little guy ended up having a very serious genetic disease called IMT. He died in Feb. 2013 from it, and wasn't even four years old yet.
The second breeder we dealt with (for our current puppy) was much much more trustworthy. I did exactly as Amparra said to do (all of the steps) and it has been a beautiful match. She even asked me to email pics of him as he grows up! We have become friends with the breeder and can tell she is just so much better. She only breeds to better the dachshund name and only has dams or sire with titles. She even gave me a list of over 50 people to contact from the last few years that have gotten a dog from her. I called 6 from varying years and they all had great things to say about their babies.
Definitely do your research on a breeder. Make sure you get a detailed list of the vaccines the pups received, a phone number for the vet the breeder uses (call them!), food they were on and references for the breeder. I've even gone as far as asking for a full medical check and having the vet contact me with the results (scared of having the same thing happen as before) before I put down a payment.
The second breeder we dealt with (for our current puppy) was much much more trustworthy. I did exactly as Amparra said to do (all of the steps) and it has been a beautiful match. She even asked me to email pics of him as he grows up! We have become friends with the breeder and can tell she is just so much better. She only breeds to better the dachshund name and only has dams or sire with titles. She even gave me a list of over 50 people to contact from the last few years that have gotten a dog from her. I called 6 from varying years and they all had great things to say about their babies.
Definitely do your research on a breeder. Make sure you get a detailed list of the vaccines the pups received, a phone number for the vet the breeder uses (call them!), food they were on and references for the breeder. I've even gone as far as asking for a full medical check and having the vet contact me with the results (scared of having the same thing happen as before) before I put down a payment.
Inkeri
New Member
Good breeders also want to know what kind of home you have to offer. They don't sell puppies to anybody. 
And, as Hilybee said, they want to know how the puppies are doing in their new homes. For example, my dog's breeder even has a facebook group for her and "her" puppy-owners where we can share photos and stories.
And, as Hilybee said, they want to know how the puppies are doing in their new homes. For example, my dog's breeder even has a facebook group for her and "her" puppy-owners where we can share photos and stories.
Wandering Man
Member
We didn't know anybetter when we got PD. We answered an ad in the newspaper. The person selling PD said she showed dogs and was selling the dachshunds as a favor to a friend in Dallas (about 7 hours north of us).
We met her behind a tobacco store. She had PD and two other pups. Another buyer was there at the same time, and go first choice. We picked PD because he was the only male left. She told us he was 6 weeks old, and we didn't realize that was too young. After we got home, we realized he was really only 5 weeks old when we got him, and was probably younger than that when he was taken away from his mom!
PD is supposed to stand for "Paul's Dog", but sometimes we think it stands for Personality Disorder, since he is a bit neurotic. We brought Henry home a few months later when we realized PD didn't know how to be a dog.
We met her behind a tobacco store. She had PD and two other pups. Another buyer was there at the same time, and go first choice. We picked PD because he was the only male left. She told us he was 6 weeks old, and we didn't realize that was too young. After we got home, we realized he was really only 5 weeks old when we got him, and was probably younger than that when he was taken away from his mom!
PD is supposed to stand for "Paul's Dog", but sometimes we think it stands for Personality Disorder, since he is a bit neurotic. We brought Henry home a few months later when we realized PD didn't know how to be a dog.
sbarne3
New Member
This is a quote from a Miniature Schnauzer breeder's website, but the information applies to all breeds and I think it is very helpful
Here's the link... Puppy News | Champion Miniature Schnauzer | Mini Schnauzer Breeders | Texas
And here's the quote...
Here's the link... Puppy News | Champion Miniature Schnauzer | Mini Schnauzer Breeders | Texas
And here's the quote...
DeafDogs
Alberta Region Moderator
I certainly wouldn't go with that breeder. they specify colour, they mix short and longhair and they let people put deposits on colour alone. all in big bold letters. took me two seconds to say, no way no how! I didn't even bother scrolling through the rest of the site.
Inkeri
New Member
Yep. I wouldn't either. They have even created a coat type of their own; "half coat". Lol.
sbarne3
New Member
I'm sure I am showing my ignorance here, but what is the problem with mixing short and longhair? The color thing I understand, but can you educate me on the problems with mixing the coat types?
thanks,
Steven
sbarne3
New Member
Oh ok... thanks for the info
Steph
New Member
Yes, AKC does accept it
Someone mentioned a "half coat" or a medium length coat, that's caused by breeding smooth to long hair coats. Undesireable in the standards, though I'm seeing a lot of people asking for the half coats because they don't want all the hassle of caring for a true long hair
I've also seen the half coat happen with long hair dilutes (blue & isabella) where the coat becomes shortened due to the lack of strength in the dilute colours, but that is another issue entirely
Then there is the "Silky" where it is caused by breeding longs to wires. There is a variety of silky in wires, but it's not the same as the long/ wire breeding. Highly undesirable according to the standards.
Some breeders do cross wire with smooth, not too often does it occur but the main purpose for that is to add harshness to the wire coat if needed.